12:30 AM
Sorry this
is the correct Version: Brother, I notice that you are very confused. Let us
clarify the cause of our different points of view regarding the Biblical
teachings: I heard that you had mentioned that romanians came to Norway to earn
money. It is true. I consider it is good to pray to God that Christian
romanians shal return to Romania, in order not be influenced by the desire to
earn money. It is better for them to live poorer in Romania, but to have a
better spiritual mood. Here in Norway, Christians become influenced by worldly movements
and lose their faith. You came in Norway and do not realize that you support a
spiritually degraded teaching.
Sorry
for replying late ! I had to go to Nepal for some weeks so I did not get chance
to reply your mail. Here comes the reply of your last mail. I hope you will
understand what I meant here and take it easy to make our conversation softer.
Rep: This is a lie and confusion you sow
about me. You said I support the spiritually degraded teaching. I told to you
that Salvation of a human being does not depend up on human effort to gain it,
but only upon Jesus, his sacrifice at cross and his mercy! How dare you to say
the idea which is not my own but biblical view is degraded teaching? You said there are two types of salvation i.e.
one is by faith and other is by act. Where in the bible is it written that
there are two types of salvation, one is by faith in Jesus and other is by our
Act? Rather is not it written in the bible that there is no other name or way on
earth to be saved except Jesus and his name -Acts 4:12, John 14:6?
Norwegians
and all the West of Europe have been conservatoire throughout history but since
the Sexual Revolution, the Western churches support the Liberal theology which
is not after the Biblical principles.
Rep:I do not have anything to do with
liberal theology or western theology like you said. I concern only what is
written in bible.
If you look
into the recent history of the churches you will see the huge differences of
thinking, behaviour and attituded comparative with the current churches which
imported a teaching inspired by Sexual Revolution, it includes: birth control.
The style of music is imported from worldly movements: rock, pop, etc. The
dressing of the women without skirt and scarf is also imported from Sexual
Revolution and worldly movements , insteadfor the current churches support the
idea that women shall dress indecesntly.
Rep: I do not have something to do
with sexual revolution as you mentioned. May be people imported these things like
you said but these issues are meaningless issues for my side. Modesty and
decency of women on clothing should be viewed either based on the cultural and
social basis of the time of Paul or of our time. If you want to restore the
cultural values of Paul’s time, we should consider about the clothing styles
and modesty according to that time frame. I don’t think Paul wore the shirts,
coats, jeans, pants, panties like in our
time. Let us think what have we Christians preserved from our original cultural
modesty and decency?
You
affirmed that I do not have proofs: I showd you proofs from Bible. But the
problem is you interpret the Biblical views wrong.
Rep:
Here comes again another lie.
Let
me show you the lies of what you believe and say:
Heresy
no. 1. There are two types of salvation, one is by faith in Christ and other is
by good deeds.
Please
Read the verses carefully you will find what bible speaks itself black and
white, the plain truth.
Matthew 1:21 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give
him the name Jesus,because he will save his people from their sins.(Who will save us from our sin,
is that Jesus or our effort?)
John 3:14
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be
lifted up,15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not
send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world
through him. (
How do people get saved? Is not it by faith in Jesus and through him?)
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me.
Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else,
for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be
saved.” John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever
enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find
pasture (Jesus said clearly
that he is the only way and the gate to heaven, I told you this but you added
saying there are two types of salvation and one salvation is by faith in Jesus
and other salvation is by good works.. where is this written in bible about two
types of salvation? why did Jesus not
say clearly that he and good works are the two ways to go to heaven? Is the
error in interpretation of me or of yours? )
Ephesisan 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and
this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Romans 6:23 For the
wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus
our Lord Romans 11: 11 Again I ask:
Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because
of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel
envious. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his
own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 9:15-16 For he says to Moses,“I will
have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have
compassion.”16 It does not,
therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. John
6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who
sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. Romans
11:5-6 So too, at the present time there is a
remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on
works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. ( Does our effort of good work make
any sense to be with Jesus and in his kingdom? Are we not saved by Grace alone?
Is not grace free? Is not eternal life for free? If it is free, is not it a
gift from God? I praise the lord for he has given me this free gift of grace
and hope of eternal life which is in Jesus Christ without my single effort that
can please him)
Heresy no.2 All the
rules and regulations in the bible are given as the steps of salvation. Without
maintaining rules and regulations we can not be saved.
What is the purpose of the rules and regulations in
the bible?
1 Timothy
1:8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. Romans 7:12
1 Timothy
1:9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for
lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for
those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers.
Galatians
3:19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of
transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The
law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.
James
2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is
guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans
3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works
of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Galatians
3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be
justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under
a guardian.(Real purpose of the rules and regulation of the bible
is not to bring or offer salvation to the sinner but to guard from doing more
sins till the faith comes in us so that we can be justified through it.)
Galatians
3: 10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is
written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written
in the Book of the Law.”11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is
justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.
Romans
3:27-28Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law
that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we
maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the
law.
Romans
2:23-242 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of
you.”
John 8:29
The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what
pleases him.” John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will
but to do the will of him who sent me. John 4:34 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to
do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. (Did Jesus obey the rules and
commandments of God father for his own salvation? Did he commit a single sin in
his life? If he was sinless, then the laws and commandments of God which he
fulfilled were not for his own salvation. He fulfilled for our salvation.)
Galatians
5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from
Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Romans
14: 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for
ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die
for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this
very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of
both the dead and the living.(It is false gospel if someone
believes that Grace of God is not enough and therefore man must work for the
salvation- This is not me but Paul said to Galatians in chapter 1-3, that some
of them believed other Gospel than Paul preached )
I showed
the brothers proofs from your blog. I did not add anything. The brothers
realized that your teaching was false on the basis of your assertions written
by you on your blog.
Rep:
They Just
realized but did not come with a proof to me. All types of realizations or feelings
do not necessarily represent the truth.
About birth control, you can ask your
grand-parents how many childrend had every family in their time, (almost every
family had many children: between 5-6, even 10 or over)that is until 1960. My
wife when came to Norway, her first patron was of a family of ten children. He
was born before 1960. We can see how few children the Norwegians have at the
current moment.
Rep:
It
depends up on cases. Some in even in the past had many kids and
some had few and some had none. The
number how many you need to have does not depend up on the trend how it
was with your grand parents or forefathers. It depends up on you, your
situations and your decisions made together with God. It is not universal law
that every woman should have children as many as possible. Rather Paul
makes clear, if someone wants to stay alone and has this gift, it is better to stay
alone and serve God!! 1Cor. 7:7-8
You are young and unexperience regarding the
work of God. Do not let influenced by Liberal theology of norwagians or
Americans.
Rep:
Brother, Thank you for your saying but I do not like your attitude of judging a book by it’s cover. We have not got
any chances to talk and share our spiritual life and ministry life
together. How can you tell me whether I am experienced or not in the work
of God? Please do not use words without knowing the truth. Otherwise it will be
just a lie!
They are
very materialistic and go after money more than Romanians. That`' why it is a
mistake that anyone of us departed from Romania and came to Norway to earn
money. Anyway God will make the situation in such way that all of us shall
return to Romania.We see these examples in Italy, Spain, Greace, USA, Portugal,
etc. The materialism is not good. The gospel is preached to the poor. The rich
cannot get it. As it is case in Norway.
Those
brothers came to your place. Why did you not discuss with them the things we
discussed ? They belong to the leading of the Itcani church. They are
ministers. These things which are an apple of discord is discusses with
pastors. You had opportunity.
Rep:
Those brothers who came to my place did not discuss or did not want to discuss
anything with me. In the beginning I thought they want to visit us as a family
and I was really eager to talk with them and I was excited to see them. I even did not expect that they would be so much focused about my teaching during the visit. It's a big shock for me to know the unexpected thing happened at the end. They conveyed
Christian greetings and in the end said to me God bless you, bye and nothing
more than this. They started to preach, started to argue with other brothers
during the visit using their mother tongue which I had no idea what's going on and I saw that they had nothing to do with me. I felt like I was a guest to them at my place
and waited till the last. Finally what was happened, I came to know through
Drn and In(Names changed) when they told me. I did not have any chance or any ideas what was
being happened in detail with them, because I had no one to translate for me.
What kind of Christian brothers are they, who had many issues to talk related
with me and my teachings but just came to me and said hi and bye only ?
As you
discussed with your wife and Drn about my ideas, in the same way I discussed
with my brothers-in-law about your ideas. I do not know who is that «somebody»
who narrated the brothers in the plane about Romanian fellowship in
Kristiansand. I do not lie. God knows that I say the truth. I did not have any
intentions to tell the brothers anything about you or your Romanian fellowship.
They asked me about you. This is the truth. God may judge between us two. What
did I tell the brothers about your private life ? What lies did I say about you
?
Rep:
A lot of
rumors about me are going on among the brothers in lyngdal as I heard. I will
let you know after finding the fact and truth about it.