Sunday, August 31, 2014

You should put yourself the following questions: Are you  sincere in your heart in front of God and do you desire to support the biblical truth or you want to cover the Biblical truth because of your materialistic reasons, because of your desire of comfort or lack of desire of sacrifice for the duties estabilished by the Lord regarding childbearing ?

Me: Dear Brother, Thank you for your comments again. I am well aware of the truth of the bible so I do not need any reasons to twist the truth of the bible. I just want everyone to know truth but not human preaching or added external teaching.
I understood that you have many misunderstanding about what I was trying to communicate with you. Probably it would be a lot better, if we can take time to talk in telephone or you can visit me to talk again these issues. You don’t need to be afraid to talk with me, because I felt like you are afraid with me. When I called you last you did not receive. When I sent sms you do not respond me. Are you afraid of me? I am not your enemy, still I tell you that you are my a brother in Christ. You are most welcome to come to my house for talk.

You should understand the truth about childbearing, in 1 Timothy 2. 15 ''But the women will be saved through childbirthing – if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.'' It refers to physical children, and not to the spiritual. If we take it spiritually, and man can give birth to the spiritual children. ( Again the paradigm of salvation, '' woman will be saved'' she is not saved yet from the final persepective of reaching the heaven, the salvation is conditioned by our struggle, it is not a final process, as I mentioned it is a polisemantic meaning) But it is a literary perspective, otherwise Paul would not have mentioned in the context the noun ''woman'' and the pronoun ''she'' which refers to the woman. She refers to woman, it is feminine gender. Here it i not included man.

Me: I understand well she means she and woman means singular woman and women means plural women. If you want to make interpretation please make interpretation what means the word save and saved used in 1 timothy 2:15 and 1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Do you know the first commendsment given to people by God ? In Genesis, 1. 28 ''Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.'' This is the first commendsment given people by God which means to increase in number and to fill the earth with children. That also means that it is forbidden by God to resort to birth control. What do people do in the current moment in Europe ? They don't fulfill this commendsment but contrarily, Europe is running out of humane population and it is substituded by abnormal, violent and murdurous people (this is the work of the devil to deceive Europeans who are nonviolent and not to have children, only 1-2, and the violent people who are violent and murdurous to have several children from several wives )  - this is the unique crisis of under population caused by the Sexual revolution which people undertook.

Me: Brother this is your personal or human interpretation, the interpretation which you made from Genesis 1:28 is not biblical. The commandment of God to multiply and fill the earth was specifically given to Adam and eve not every human being. If not, please show me one and single biblical proof that this commandment is given to every human beings on earth.
We know that God commanded Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth but, why did Adam and Eve  not have any children before they fell into sin? They had all possibility to have millions of kids and fill the Earth. They were sinless and made to live forever. Why did not they produce any kids before the fall? They stayed without child until they fell into sin, was not that sin to stay childless?
If the commandment of multiplying and filling the earth was meant for salvation of the woman Eve- why was this commandment given while she was sinless but not after she committed the sin? Was eve saved by child bearing of Cain, Abel, Seth and some other? Any answers of such questions?

You said that we should be proud of the fact violent people by emigrating will dominate Europe by their migration as a result of Europeans' birth control resulting 1-2 children per family and culminating with martyrdom of christianity. If it will take place and you practiced birth control and thouse who do it you will die of your guilt and their guilt, because you and they did not fullfil the first commendsment mentioned.

Me:  Your saying proves that you are really afraid of these violent Muslims who entered Europe because you are afraid of dying. Remember I have told you before as well that if Muslims are going to persecute and kill you and me, it is not because  we have less children but it is because of our faith in Christ –John 15: 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. Matthew 10:22,2 timothy 3:12, Furthermore he told in Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
If persecution of torture and killing is expected for the believers or the followers of Christ, we all who say Christians should be ready even to die for the sake of Christ. If we are not ready we cannot be his disciples. Please read what Jesus said: Luke 14:27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.  Cross represents the death of a person and Carrying own cross means being ready to die. Jesus carried his own cross which means he knew he will die for the sinners and he was ready to die. John 19: 17 Carrying his (Jesus) own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). 18 There they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.  Who were those who persecuted him? They were earthly people, the righteous people of the earth, the righteous Jews and roman soldiers. Why God allowed Jesus to be persecuted and died on cross? It is for our salvation.
Were all the apostles ready to die on the hands of violent people for the sake of Christ? Yes they were, except John the brother of James, who died naturally, all were martyred. Paul said he was ready to die for the sake of Christ. Acts 21: 13 Then Paul answered, “Why are you weeping and breaking my heart? I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” Why does God allow Christians to die on the hand of persecutors? Basically for two reasons- one is because God wants to test our faith. Second is to accomplish his plans through the deaths.
You are saying that if Christians will not bear many children, then Muslims will occupy Europe and they will persecute us and kill us. Your intention behind getting many children is to compete with Muslims in population and supress them but not for to bring glory to God. Where in the bible is mentioned that the will of God after bearing many children is to supress the number of Muslims or violent people? Do you really want to live like Muslims live? If you have this faith please go ahead and live like them!
Do you remember what Jesus said in Matthew 13:24-30 parables of wheat and weeds? Vs. 30 let both grow together until the harvest!... and who are these weeds? Are they not sons of evil?(37-39). Who allowed evil people to be with us? Is that you and me or God? Of course God! If he allowed these evil people to grow then how can we supress them and remove then out of our place? No, it is only God who can supress them or destroy them but not us. In Europe many Muslims migrated, why? Is that because of you and me? No, it is because The Government gave permission them to reside. Why God allowed the evil people to reside in Europe, God has a purpose over everything. Was pharaoh not cruel? Did God not raise him for a good purpose?- Romans 9:7 Do you think that you can make Europe a better place, a place without evil people? If you think please go ahead. But I know you can’t. Unless God does you can do nothing. But remember more what Jesus said, in the end time there will be wars… Matthew 24:6, Are we not living in the last days? If there are no evil people, how is it possible to be wars and rumours of wars?

Many times you said that we did good deeds to show people that we had love for others. The Bible teaches us to do good deeds in secret Matthew 6. verses 3-4 « But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand let know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your father who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. »

Me: Brother this is your misunderstanding of the message which I wrote to you. I have told you that our good works are to be seen by other people for the glory of God, but not to be proud of how good you did or how good you are! You mentioned the verses from Matthew 6:3-4, but what is the context of this verse? Why did Jesus tell to give in secrete? It is because people like to show to other people how good they are and be proud of their righteousness. If that is the intention behind your giving, then don’t do that rather give in secrete! This is what Jesus simply said. What do you mean by good deed? Is that only giving to the needy? No there are many other godly things which can be thought, spoken and done. All of them are good deeds. Do you believe that you are light of the world?( Matthew 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden.) if you are light, what is the light supposed to do? Isn’t it supposed to shine? To shine where? Under the table? No- the light shall shine before men! Please read Matthew 5: 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Do you see the reason why we should shine before other people? Isn’t it for the glory of God?
Let us think further, What does this light represent? Does not the word of God say the light of the people is the life Jesus had? Please read John 1:4, Do you believe that the life of Jesus is in you now? I don’t know what you believe, but I believe I have. Paul said that Christ lives in him –Galatians 2:19-20, I believe the same. If Christ lives in us, his life should be revealed in our body, in our living . 2cor. 4:10, The life of Christ should not be hidden in us! The life of Christ is full of good thought, good messages, good deeds. They are to be revealed and seen by other for God’s glory. If we do not live the life of Christ, how shall people know that we are Christians? Can people see inside the hearts of Christians without visible evidence? Please read: John 13:35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” John 15:8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. Whatever we do, let our true attitudes, gentleness or the fruit be evident to everyone for his glory!( Philippians 4:5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near)

The Bible speaks about good deeds thousends of times, more than baptism, grace, and other things.
Me: Nothing wrong in bible which speaks of 1000 times good deeds!

3. For nothing, you try to persuade me and other persons that it is right to practice birth control  God sees your heart and your intentions. God sees if you are in interested in entering the strait gate, or if you desire only the truth or you intend to cover the truth in order to support your earthy interests to be free, to be comfortable, without famlily obligation which God asigned to everyone who marry. Anyway the truth remains truth, you cannot change it.

Me:Dear brother, I neither changed the truth nor I tried to change the truth or somebody. It is your misunderstanding that I tried to change the truth. However I want everyone to know the truth. I have never told you that it is right or wrong to practice birth control in our conversations. Please don’t impose lies over me. Simply I have said that the number of children of a family depends on their personal faith, relationship with God and situations. It is because the commandment of being multiplied and filling the earth is not meant for every human being. Nobody in the New Testament taught that every human being shall have many children and fill the earth. If filling the earth was the biggest necessity and commandment to everyone on this earth, please tell me why did Paul wish all men being like him single? Read 1 Cor. 7:7-8,26-28. If what Paul told here is the truth, then you reject this truth of Paul with your understanding and saying.

The things are very clear, certain category of Christians, especially the Western Christians copied the birth control from Sexual Revolution 1960. Before that time no body practiced birth control, and you try to find Biblical arguments by distorting the Biblical verses with help of other verses which has no connction between them. The apostols did not practice birth control. You can read the history of the church. And all the christians did not practice it til Sexual Revolution. It is almost 2000 years. The Bible say that in the lattest days there will be many heresies, as we are in the lattest days. You grant no respect the former generation who paid with blood the message of the gospel.

Me: Why are you talking again and again the birth control and sexual revolution? I have nothing to do with sexual revolution and I don’t want to spend time for which is not my interest and which does not have any profit.

You can ask your parents-in-law, how many children had every family in their generation.
People who support the idea of birth control will always have only 1-2 children. If the old generation had had the same attitude, then David would not have existed, since he is tenth child born in his family. Also, Jesus had six brothers.

Me:Brother if you want to follow how your grandfather did, how they lived, if your faith says you to do that, please go ahead and live according to your faith. If you can not manage to live according what you believed, then you will be judged by your faith. I personally do not follow the life style of my forefather, but of Jesus and his disciples. All the people of the earth they followed Adam and Sin entered through Adam to all because all did sin! Because they followed people not God! Please read Romans 5:12, I do not want to be the same. I will walk in the path of Jesus and in his spirit.

You were recently at the church in Lyngdal in a sunday, if you could have understood Romanian, you would have heard that the sermons of thouse 3 brothers who preached were mainly about the false teaching of birth control how people imported this false teaching from the sinful wordly movements.

Me: Dorin could not translate everything about what was being preached. But I understood their understanding through my wife about children. Well if you talk about true and false teaching, the truth should be measured by the biblical parameters.  if someone says something is true just because they think so, I don’t accept such truths based on human understanding or thoughts. Some people think that physical children which we bear are God’s heritage or eternal blessing based on wrong understanding of Psalm 127:3-5. Some truth is hidden in this passage, I believe just the truth not human thoughts. The truth is the children whom we bear physically are a blessing from god but this blessing is not eternal blessing, just an earthly blessing. This blessing will be eternal only when our children receive Christ in their life.  If you will have 15 children and if they will go to hell where is your blessing then? your blessing remains only for the earth not for the heaven. Therefore I say, it is not how many children you could bear, but it is how many children of you came to Christ, decides whether you are blessed eternally or not.

Jesus ordered us to do charitable deeds. It is written in Matthew 25. 33-46. Jesus continuously criticised the people who did not do good deeds. Jesus did good deeds to all people. Also, one of the first fruit of repentance are good deeds (Luke 3.11), proclaimed by John the baptist.

Me: I have not said you that Jesus did not tell people to do good and also I have not said that we should not bear the fruit of repentance. Therefore I agree with you here.
As regard type of interpretation of theology, you got the message of salvation from Western christians, which are liberal, they changed drastically unlike their parents and grand-parents. There are still few old Western christians who deplore the spiritual situation of the Western churches which are spiritually degraded. You have inspired from them and you think through their eyes and you try to find Biblical arguments to justify their liberalism.

Me: Brother whatever you said here is a lie. I do not go after any people or denomination to understand the message of bible like you are used to. I just read bible, meditate on it day and night, the Holy Spirit reveals me his truth. I have already told you that I do not have anything to do western or Romanian or eastern theology. I know these theologies do not save me. I just care what it is revealed in the bible. If I say something as truth I speak from bible not from outside. Please do not throw me into the group which I do not belong to!
It is sad that some christians from Romania and other countries who originate from the church with good teaching are agree partially or totally with the spiritually degraded teaching of the Norwegians or even go to Norwegian churches, or they make Norwegian friends in order to get materialistic advantages, and thus little by litte they change their good teaching from their country with sinful culture and sinful mode of living and they become asimilated like them. In other words they compromise their true faith with liberal and false faith taken from Norwegians for the materialistic things.  

Me: You tried to judge people’s action but you did not judge right. Therefore you need to read what Jesus said. John 7:24 Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”
Is it wrong to go to Norwegian church? Is it wrong to make Norwegian friend? Why did you come to Norway? Is that only to earn money? If so then you are serving not Christ but money.
Do You think you are only the true Christian and other are not? You think only the Christians from Romania are going to heaven and other to hell? Where in the bible does say so? Can you tell me, how many Christians in Romania are corrupt? How many Christians in Romania are divorced, adulterous, liars, murderers? How many Christians in Romania are ready to die for Christ? How many Christians in Romania went out to preach the gospel, make disciple and baptize new people entering the kingdom of god? If you can give me the proof that Christians from Romania are blameless in those things, then I will agree with what you have said about it. Otherwise it is just a lie but you still believe as truth.

If you are interested in the Biblical truth, you can find correct interpretations of the Bible from the church where your wife grew.
Me: Brother only the false teacher or false Christians say that truth is here and there, Christ is here and there. The true Christians say that truth is in the word of God -John 17:17 and in Jesus Christ.

You are always defending birth control which you learned from thouse who communicated you the message of gospel and they took it from Sexual revolution 1960. If the Sexual revolution 1960 had had not taken place, nobody would have thought of practicing birth control.
Me: You lie here as well. When did I defend the birth control? You are blaming me that I learnt from this and that.. How did you know such thing which I never told to you? If you want to know the truth, I never knew about the sexual revolution before you told me! I have never desired to know this topic even after you told to me because I do not have something to do with it.

They did not take it from Bible. If you fear the Lord you woluld read this two psalm 128 and 127 attentively about childbearing the Psalm 127 and 128 exemplify very clear the literal truth about childbearing. And Psalm 128. 3-4 « your wife will be like a fruitful vine within your house; your sons will be like olive shoots round your table. This is the man blessed by who fears the Lord. You have not read them attentively til now. »
Me: Brother if you think you alone read bible and other did not, then you have a problem in your head!

As regard Liberal theology and strait gate, you must read about these phenomena. As mentioned, do not be sad but you are not familiar with many realities which happens in Europe and in world. Again you do not understand what is literature and linguistics. You should find out what is paradigmatics.
Why do you exclude the explantions of Jesus in the parable of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25, verses 33-46 regarding the reasons for which Jesus separated the goats from sheep and you come with your own explanations which are not in text ?. Jesus explains clear that goats did not do good deeds. Why do you distort the Biblical verses with other verses taken from other contexts which have no connection with the context of the parable of sheep and goats. The same you also did with explations of the strait gate. It is simple to understand: conservative churches go on the strait gate, the liberal churches go on the wide gate:

Me: I see you know the best out of the bible but still you can not understand the truth. You are like the Pharisee who search the scripture day and night but does not know what the truth is and accept the truth.  You just know to blame other, accuse other telling he/she is false and their teaching or faith is false but you do not know to explain with perfect meaning and context. I did not use my own word to explain but bible itself to explain the text still you do not understand, what can I do? Pease pray to god that he will provide Holy Spirit for you to understand.

Matthew 7. 13-14 Enter through narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the gate that leads to life, and anly a few find it. Pay attention how few people are today still conservative and do not practice birth control.
You are very confused as regards the sin. Hebrew 10. 26 '' If we deliberatelly keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sin is left. '' It is understood very clear that whatever if somebody is low spiritual or strong and if he/she commit adultery or badly sins cannot receive forgiveness from the Lord. You do not understand that this movement of teaching that every sin is forgiven is false.

Me: Who said that I am confused with this verse? Neither I said that to you nor I am confused. May be devil is communication with you.  When did I say that every sin committed after being a true Christian is forgiven? Rather I have told you from bible that the one born again Christian will never keep on practicing sin. 1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them Born again Christian will never blasphemy holy spirit. If someone so called Christian does such sins will not be forgiven.

Read 2 Peter chapter 2, verses 20, 21 and 22.
Those who associate with Lutheran churches in which women are priests and they preach do not do good. You know this is not biblical. Or you, at most verses in Bible, struggle to misinterpret in order to justify certain false doctrines and heresies.

Me: Brother, please do not do the job of Satan because only the worker of satan does this job. You just blame without any right judgment, right proofs, the proof from bible. You think many things are wrong because you just think so. Your thought is not God’s. Know the thought of God first and then say which is right or wrong. If you really want to keep yourself away from such sinners then you are not supposed to be on earth. You are supposed to be in heaven aren’t you? Why are you here on earth, have you thought about it? Why did Jesus come on earth among sinners, have you thought about that? If you see something is wrong in Lutheran church, as a Christian, your responsibility is to go there, be friend and correct the wrong, why don’t you do that? But for you it is very easy to say he is sinner, she is sinner, than doing good, right? If you hear an interpretation from human mind , you say that is right and if you allow bible itself to speak then it is wrong? Brother awake, this is work of devil! Jesus was also blamed by Pharisees that he did devils work in Matthew 12:24 while he was working God’s work. If I allow bible, The God’s word to interpret a topic, then you say it is misinterpretation or wrong! Clear for me that this is from devil.

It is not wise to post on your blog what we discuss. The lining is washed inside. Do you think that these things build other people ?

Me: I have a good reason to post in the blog and this is my private reason. If someone got hurt or not built spiritually from my sayings, let me know please, I will remove

It is good to seek in the history of the Western churches to see how many children they had before the Sexual revolution 1960. If you are interested in truth.
Me: I see forward not backward. If there is something essential truth which I must learn, I see, otherwise I don’t. I give the Bible, God’s word the first priority.

If you practice birth control, you prevent the birth of some souls who God intends to come on earth. It is good to repent of it in order to get forgiveness. It is also good to seek the truth, be humble, and repent of what it is not good.

Me: It is my private thing, that I am not supposed to share with anyone except God and my wife. You should not worry of my private thing. You do not need to know what I do and what I do not do in the bed. God knows very clear. That is enough. If you have seen that I have used pills, or vaccines, or aborted kids with your eyes, then come to me and we can talk about it otherwise there is no other reason to talk with you about such private issues.

Finally pay attention to this verses 2 Peter 3. 15-16 ''Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own distruction.'' in order not deceive yourself and others.

Me: I am very aware of God’s word. 2 Peter 3:15-16 is true. You mean I should pay attention because I have distorted scripture? If you think so please think yourself first then think of me or other the second . Jesus saved us sinner with his blood, but you insist that man is saved by faith plus deed and you miss value blood of Jesus. You have insulted the grace and the spirit of grace saying we have to obey laws to be saved! You preach different gospel than Paul preached. Paul said that the gospel which is different than his is not gospel at all! Read Galatioans chapter 1, 2 and 3. He explained so simple, why still you can not understand?
You support the idea that every sin can be forgiven, inclusive adultury. It is fals. In Matthew 12.31 …. « every sin and blasphemy will be fogiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. » It refers to the unfaithful men which are not yet repented, not to the people who started the way of salvation. Again this is a matter of different context. This is matter of paradigmatics which studies different contexts.

Me: I have not said that if you keep on committing adultery, the sin of adultery will be forgiven, but I have said if someone repents truly, all sins except the sin of blasphemy of holy spirit will be forgiven. Please read 1 John 1:9

As regard sin: whatever sobody is weak or strong spiritual. He / she cannot be forgiven, if one sins deliberately after he / she came to repetance by being baptised. 2 Peter 2.21.''It would have been better for them not known the rightniousness.''

Me: Brother before you say this you should think first who you are. If you are honest with yourself, tell me one thing. Did you know something in your mind good to do but you did not do? Is that a sin according to word of God? Please read James 4:17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them. How many times didn’t you do good which you were supposed to do? One time, two times, 4 times or more?  Sin is sin. Do you think your sin of not doing good is forgiven? How many times did you do wrong doing in your life? Is not all wrongdoing sin?  One time, two time, three times or more? If you have done many times after knowing Christ, sin is sin then your sins are not forgiven!! I don’t think you are perfect man. If you think you are a perfect man without doing errors in life, then I have right word, right judgement for you, that you are a Pharisee, hypocrite of our time. You do not have truth in you. Please read 1 John 1:8

Devil's plan is to deceive the faithful by believing that all the sins are forgiven so that they may sin and to live a life with no difference unlike the world.
Me: Did I teach some one that one should live in sin? If I have said please give me proof.

As regards who sins grave sins such as adultery deceives himself that cannot be forgiven. In Luke 6. 46 Jesus speaks clear of two kinds of built houses: on the sand and on the rock. Matthew 7.21 « Not everyone who say to me,  Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only who does the will of my father who is in heaven. » So it happens to those commit adultery after came to repetance.

Me: Let us imagine ,If you live a life being adulterous all your life after declaring that you are a Christian, then you are not a true Christian, if you are not true Christian, then your sins are not forgiven, it is so simple to understand. You are still stumbling on the same point. But if you have committed such sin when you did not know God or if you did such sin just once without intention but because of weakness in flesh, if that person repents truly, the sin is forgiven this is what I said.

Put yourself another question sincere in front of God: do you not really belong to this category of people ?  2 Timothey 3.7 « always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. »

Me: What about you brother? Did you judge yourself with this verse?, I see you are the one who does not understand the word of God and acknowledge the truth. I just put the words of God in every saying as proof but you say false, wrong etc.  who can say wrong or false to the word of God? Only devil and his followers.

Also, 2 Timothey 4. 3-4 « For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside the myths. »

Me: I know this verse well. I do not have any teachers around me except Bible and Holy spirit, but I saw you have number of teachers around you.  The teachers from Romania, teachers from lyndal and so called holy spirit guided preacher. Please think about yourself, if you are just holding the gospel of Jesus which Paul preached or not!

Bible continuosly warns us about the heresies and false teaching in the lattest days. Do you consider you have more light than the old people who taught us the faith ?

Me: Which old people you are talking about? Old man from Romania? I believe that neither me, neither you nor old people of Romania have more light. It is holy spirit who has the light of the scripture.  If God wants he can make a child also wiser than any other people. Revelation of God’s word does not depend up on how old you are or how long you have served for God! It completely depends up on God whom he wants to be wise. Within two years of conversion of Paul into Christianity, God revealed many truths and secrets into depth to him. It was not his experience but holy spirit taught him.

Not at all, the current young generations are less and less enlightened. The situation is exactly like in Judges 2.10 «  After that whole generation had been gather to their fathers, another generation grew up, who knew neither the Lord, nor what he had done for Israel. » You can search in Bible to see what happened with this generation, it seems to happen exactly with Europe.
Be careful about the teaching you give to the people because you will be responsable, you have more responsability than a doctor has with his patients, since you implicate in a work which is with souls of people.

Me: I am careful with my teaching brother. I wish everyone who realized themselves as sinners be saved through repentance, by faith in lord Jesus Christ. I do  not wish any one to be in hell and I do not teach them to go to hell. It is you who teaches that salvation depends up on our good deed, therefore your teaching rejects the grace and insults the spirit of grace. Please be careful. If some one goes to hell because of your teaching the punishment will be severe!

When you will go to the coutry of your wife, you can learn true faith from brothers from the church from there.

Me: Thank you for the suggestion: I have told you, that I do not see people to find the truth, I see god, Jesus, Holy spirit to know the truth. That is my first priority. People my second priority.

Friday, August 22, 2014


Let us be biblical:
The barren woman has another rĂ´le to be saved. The woman is saved by childbearing is a hyperbole. It expresses an exaggerated truth which emphasizes the importance of this. Certainly, it is not enough; the woman has to fulfil many other rules and good deeds. This is a debt for a woman who is married and not barren.
Comment: I want to know other rules and good deeds for a woman that saves her. Please if you have time write for me.
In Luke 23:27-28. Jesus referred to the context of Jerusalem s destroyance by Roman empire which was going to happen. It happened in 70 AD. It was better for women who were barren because their children were mercilessly killed by Romnas. But this cannot be applied for the all context of history of humankind. Otherwise it would have been a recommandation from God that human spiece shal not reproduse and extinguish.
Commnet:  Brother you said Jesus said that in the context of War with Jerusalem by romans. It is fulfilled already and can not be applied now – do you mean that there will not be anymore war with Jerusalem? If it was on the context of war, will there not be wars in our time? If it is just related with war and killing by Romans, why Jesus had to tell these women to weep for themselves and their children? Did not Jesus teach them not to fear to those who kill body? (Read Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.) Could romans destroy their childrens souls? Then why to cry?
There ar a lot rules, laws and Biblical principles in New Testament. The Biblical researchers hold that there are several hundreds of commandments. You can read all the New Testament from the beginning til end and you will find many. Sorry for not having time to explain more about it. It is a long disscusion. Regarding salvation by good deeds is explained in the whole chapter 2 of James.
Comments: Are you able to keep absolutely all the laws like you said which are mentioned in the new testaments? If you miss one of the laws what happens? Read the verse from James chapter 2 which you recommended so much to support your idea, verse 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. My brother let us think practically. I want to be honest with you and God. I declare that I am not able to keep all the laws of bible. Even if I try my best I will miss one or the other because I am not perfect yet like Jesus. If I can not fulfil one small law then I am a whole law breaker. According to bible the one who breaks law is a sinner (1 john 3:4). The punishment or the wage of sin is DEATH (Romans 6:23)! I don’t know if you are perfect man like Jesus who can keep all the laws. If you cannot keep then you are a sinner like me. And also all the wrong doing is sin(1 John 5:17). Brother do you do sometimes wrong in your life? If you do wrong in your life, you are a sinner. Therefore we all want to be good or righteous people. We all want to do good but we cannot manage to keep doing good all the time. Therefore we deserve death. I don’t see any possibility of getting eternal life by obeying laws or doing good deeds! Therefore we need someone to rescue from this state that we are impossible to purchase our salvation! That rescuer is Jesus and his favour is called grace or mercy. Therefore I want to declare again like Paul told to every one of us, I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” Galatians 2:21.  Out of two we should choose one. Either we are saved by Grace or saved by obeying law. If you agree that you are saved by the grace of God but on the other hand you insist to tell people that we should obey laws to be saved then it is nothing more than insulting the grace of God! Please remember what it will happen to those who insult the grace of God (Hebrews 10:29)

Luke 18:18-30, It lacked him(young rich ruler) the first two commandments of law to love God and your naghbour from your all heart and power. This young rich man belonged to the party of pharises who boast of high level of spirituality. The reality was another.

Comment: You gave me an incomplete answer of my question. In this story, Rich man wanted to be sure of his salvation. That is why he came to Jesus and asked what he should do to go to heaven. Jesus answered him step by step. First step was to obey the commandments. He answered he did that. Then Jesus told him the next step that He shall sell his all property and give money to poor. Then he did not say that he will go to heaven by doing that but he gave further 3rd step. My question to you was, was it not enough for this man to obey God’s law and  to do good work out of the possession he owned to enter the kingdom of God?

Question: How could the 2nd criminal who repented at the cross before his death be saved at the same moment that day if belief in Jesus alone was not necessarily enough?( Luke 23:39-43) Answer: The criminal had a very short period of time from the moment he received salvation til he died. It was very important that he believed in Jesus, although he was in great agony. He did not have oportunity to do more than to believe in Jesus and bear crossification with belief he will be saved in heaven.

Comment: Brother here you came on my point! This criminal was saved by his faith in Jesus. Your point before was that we need both Faith and good works to be saved and faith alone is not enough and it cannot save a person. But you have seen yourself that in some cases people have been saved by Faith alone (faith was not expressed into action). Therefore your opinions of salvation contradict here. Show me one verse or one saying of Jesus from the bible that tells that a person can be saved by deed alone! Rather bible says that if a person does anything out of his faith sins (Romans 14:22-23). Here faith is counted so much than deeds. Therefore the importance of faith is so much more than the acts of people. Without a good act people can please God but without faith people can never please God (Hebrews 11:6)

As I mentioned last time. The word salvation is a polisemantic term which implies more different meanings which often creates confusions. The polisemantic terms stem from one meaning but once the evolution of the word developes in more meanings which are alike with the first meaning from the root of the term implying some differences. For example salvation is a long process which is not finished til the final destination. Let us say as in the case of Titanic castaway people were traveling in ocean and happens to them a castaway, their ship gets crashed and a part of people were saved by help of small boats. Is it a final salvation ? They had to row by wisdom and fullfil some norms to be saved til the shore. The same thing, it is a difference between the salvation which a man who repents of his sins gets free salvation from Jesus s sacrifice and from now on til his death it depends on him if he fullfil the objectives traced by God.

Comment: We are human beings and we think like humans, we become many times wrong when we think like humans but we need to think like how God thinks then we shall not be wrong. It is not me but Jesus says this, Read here
John 10:26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. The one who is in Jesus meaning those who continue in genuine faith, the one who is chosen by God will never loose their salvation brother. This is the eternal security we have in Christ my brother. In your story you said after a crash of a ship you get into a small boat and got saved from big accident but it is not final salvation till you reach to shore you need to do something on your behalf! In human understanding you are right. But in biblical understanding, in that little boat we should not forget that Jesus will also be with us, and he will be the one to lead us to the safe place! When Jesus is with us we are 100% safe brother no matter how long we should go ahead.

In the parables of the mines(Luke 19. 11), God entrusted his slaves some mines to trade them and gain double from their trade, they were free, but God asks us the same thing, we are getting free salvation from Jesus, but we must continue our salvation obeying many rules, including good deeds. The faith is one of the piece of salvation, equally with the following vers. This is another piece in the frame of salvation: But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety? 1 Timothy 2:15

Comment: In this parable, minas cannot be compared with eternal life which we get from Jesus. When Jesus gave eternal life as a free gift, he did not give to some more and to some less eternal life! He gave the same eternal life to everyone! The minas can be compared the things which we get from God as free except eternal life. For example God gives us different spiritual gifts, talents, physical blessings, properties, your kids etc. God gives them to be protected and multiplied. God gives these things to us and not just to Christians but to non-Christians too. All will be judged according to their deeds in the last day(2 Cor . 5:10). When God will test the works of Christians and non-Christians before the time of punishment, all the works will be revealed. But the true Christians who live by faith in Jesus Christ even if they will lose rewards will never suffer the wrath in hell (1 cor. 3:13-14).  True Christians have escaped the wrath (1 Thes. 5:9).

Hebrew, chapter 6, we can see some people who commited grave sins and missed their salvation. The salvation can be missed. That° s why, it°s two type of salvation. Again, in James 2, it is explained that faith and good deeds are two components which are dependant on one another in the process of salvation.

Comment: Jesus is our shepherd. If we remain in him and if we follow him even if someone wants to take us and destroy us, Jesus will never allow that to happen to us. But after knowing Jesus accepting him in life Christians still have right to change their masters! Jesus never forced someone to believe him. Definitely if someone choses wrong master, the salvation will be lost! But the problem here is neither the salvation whether it will be gained forever or not nor about deeds but it is about the types of people and choice. There are two types of Christians, a true Christians and fake Christians. True Christians will never fall back from faith. Job was true believer. He never fell back in faith. But there are many fake Christians; they are the one who usually fall back. It is very difficult to awake to those who act like they are sleeping i.e false christians. About achieving salvation, like you said Faith and deeds goes together, but our deeds can never purchase salvation. If our acts are supposed to purchase salvation, then we all Christians should work for ourselves because we need salvation. Then we cannot work for God. We will be selfish worker, just working for your own purpose. This ideology goes beyond biblical principle.(Romans 14:6,8, 1 Corinthians 10:31). Whatever we do we do it for God and his glory, not for ourselves!

Question: Why did Jesus say to the sinful women in Luke 7:36-50 that her faith has saved her instead of crediting her action? Answer: Is she entered the heaven ? No, it depended on her faith and facts plus good deeds further til her death.
Comment: When did Jesus tell here that she will not enter to heaven and she needs to do good works further to be saved? What does her faith has saved her mean?
Question: What I have understood from your writing is that what Jesus did is not enough to be saved and we should also do something or sacrifice to obtain it. The Bible speak about our sacrifice in Romans 12
Comment: Roman 12 talks about living sacrifice, but where is it written that that living sacrifice is to gain salvation?
Question: Why did rich man go to hell? Is it because he did not help the poor lazarus? I don’t think so. Let’s see the response what his father Abraham says, 29 Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’ Answer: But the law of Moses and prophets also includes many rules to do good deeds.
Comment: Read John 5:39-40,46, Jews thought that obeying these rules they will find salvation but they did not see Jesus in the scripture to so that they could get salvation through him.
First, you must understand the language and literature, means of expression: methaphor, metonimies, iron, hyperbols. In Isaiah 54:1, God uses an situational irony forcasting the unfortunate situations for women and children in the context of future adversity for Israel implying: war, slavery, and forced migration in other countries. It was better for barren women because that children were going to fall victims in tribulations. This happened due to their sins
Comment: Brother I want to encourage you to be biblical than the philosophical for fake ideologies. If you know the true meaning, true context please explain well. Jesus told to the people who followed him not to be afraid of those who kill their body, Why they had to cry just because of war?


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